Comparison with the "take a shower and get gassed" is spot on because it isn't the first time people have been hoodwinked on a massive scale.
Remember the "heart healthy unsaturated fats" campaign to move consumption from butter to (hydrogenated) seed oils? These are now the number one cause for chronic disease.
Same with "sugar is bad for you" campaign, substituting it with even more harmful products like aspartame.
Similar issue with salt and replacing that with KCl: the body needs both Na and K to maintain a (dynamic) balance.
Hence no surprise re CO2 campaigns. That climate scientists know little or nothing about the chemistry of the gas is due to narrowing down education after the Vietnam war: preventing the massive actions against it. IMO scientists should have a good enough background "to get their teeth in every subject needed".
The missing aspect is that the West no longer is capitalist but (neo) feudal.
In a capitalist system, the govt takes care of all vital issues (health, energy, transportation, education etc.) with the result that entrepreneurs can produce as cheap as possible and export to countries where production would be more expensive.
In a feudal system there's an owner of every activity who collects rent (and always wants more), so everything is more expensive than in strictly capitalist systems. Hence in a feudal system there's always activity to prevent cost increase for owners, whatever the consequences (!) and the CO2 issue is just one of the sad examples.
He (like many others) also mentions that the US can't win a war with China, Iran, Russia. Yet the US increased it's "defense" budget to USD 1 trillion whereas the "adversaries" above have much smaller (real) defense budgets (against the hegemon). That insanity can be seen at many levels: the first effective capitalist nation was Japan (after US occupation) and it's economy had to be destroyed (1980s) because the US couldn't compete with it.
Now it's China's turn - its meteoric development is a danger to the feudal "order" despite China's number 1 position re renewables, recycling, clean(er) nuclear fission power plants and the promise for nuclear fusion power.
For me it's easy to imagine what could have been done with USD 1 trillion / year re energy, infrastructure, environment, education (with accent on "limits to growth", "finite resources" and "social skills"). Of course the alternative view is that US regime members are serving a "dark agenda" which requires death, destruction and suffering.
CO2 had a fertilizing effect on Amazonia in the 20ieth century, but now the droughts caused by global warming have a stronger effect, plants dry out and and capture less CO2, and forests suffering from droughts and megafires emit more CO2 than they capture.
A sufficiently large dose of water will kill you too. I am surprised, Ugo, that you buy into this facile argument. 420ppm is a tiny concentration, orders of magnitude smaller than a suffiently large dose to kill humans.
Comparison with the "take a shower and get gassed" is spot on because it isn't the first time people have been hoodwinked on a massive scale.
Remember the "heart healthy unsaturated fats" campaign to move consumption from butter to (hydrogenated) seed oils? These are now the number one cause for chronic disease.
Same with "sugar is bad for you" campaign, substituting it with even more harmful products like aspartame.
Similar issue with salt and replacing that with KCl: the body needs both Na and K to maintain a (dynamic) balance.
Hence no surprise re CO2 campaigns. That climate scientists know little or nothing about the chemistry of the gas is due to narrowing down education after the Vietnam war: preventing the massive actions against it. IMO scientists should have a good enough background "to get their teeth in every subject needed".
The missing aspect is that the West no longer is capitalist but (neo) feudal.
In a capitalist system, the govt takes care of all vital issues (health, energy, transportation, education etc.) with the result that entrepreneurs can produce as cheap as possible and export to countries where production would be more expensive.
In a feudal system there's an owner of every activity who collects rent (and always wants more), so everything is more expensive than in strictly capitalist systems. Hence in a feudal system there's always activity to prevent cost increase for owners, whatever the consequences (!) and the CO2 issue is just one of the sad examples.
Correct. Jan, take a look at the latest post by Aurelien. He says the same things about feudalism/Capitalism
He (like many others) also mentions that the US can't win a war with China, Iran, Russia. Yet the US increased it's "defense" budget to USD 1 trillion whereas the "adversaries" above have much smaller (real) defense budgets (against the hegemon). That insanity can be seen at many levels: the first effective capitalist nation was Japan (after US occupation) and it's economy had to be destroyed (1980s) because the US couldn't compete with it.
Now it's China's turn - its meteoric development is a danger to the feudal "order" despite China's number 1 position re renewables, recycling, clean(er) nuclear fission power plants and the promise for nuclear fusion power.
For me it's easy to imagine what could have been done with USD 1 trillion / year re energy, infrastructure, environment, education (with accent on "limits to growth", "finite resources" and "social skills"). Of course the alternative view is that US regime members are serving a "dark agenda" which requires death, destruction and suffering.
CO2 had a fertilizing effect on Amazonia in the 20ieth century, but now the droughts caused by global warming have a stronger effect, plants dry out and and capture less CO2, and forests suffering from droughts and megafires emit more CO2 than they capture.
True, Dorota. But that's not the point of my post.
C02 is part of the life cycle , so of course its "good". Water is also "good" for life but too much is not . This is common sense folks.
Sure: crap cannot be so bad as food if billions of flies love it. Just common sense!
A sufficiently large dose of water will kill you too. I am surprised, Ugo, that you buy into this facile argument. 420ppm is a tiny concentration, orders of magnitude smaller than a suffiently large dose to kill humans.